Coexistence

It is true that this world would be a better place if certain people did not exist, but it is also true that it would be a worse place if we did what was necessary to make some of those certain people cease to exist.

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  9 comments for “Coexistence

  1. August 13, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    this is something I would disagree with. would you agree or not agree with the concept that it was worth getting rid of Nazi Germany?

    • August 13, 2016 at 11:52 pm

      ah, but I’m not speaking of all people whose nonexistence would help the world, just certain ones we disagree with quite heavily, ones who obstruct our political goals, scientific goals, humanitarian goals and so on. For example, wouldn’t it be better if the Westboro Baptist Church didn’t exist? or parents who relied on faith healing and alternative medicine for their children? I would think so, but I don’t see a course of action that removes them without using violence or suppression of free speech.

      It was absolutely worth getting rid of Nazi Germany, but what about people who still believe in the Nazi Party to this day? ones who don’t necessarily commit violence, but worship a violent ideology. Is it possible to get rid of them without begetting more violence?

      • August 14, 2016 at 1:50 pm

        This would seem to indicate that it is worth to get rid of some people no matter what the cost e.g. violence but not to get rid of others. Is it that we must allow people to commit their crimes and then clean up later?

        IMO, the reason that most of the people who believe in harming others e.g. Nazis, the WBC, Trump, theocracies, are prevented in doing so because they fear prison/punishment/war. It seems that one might not be able to get rid of people who espouse such things but there always has to be the threat of punishment or violence.

      • August 14, 2016 at 9:35 pm

        Once an individual crosses over into the world of violence, they have given up their right to live in a peaceful society and must be dealt with accordingly. But as long as the extent of their action stemming from their hateful ideas goes only as far as voting, action other than dissent against them must be withheld. We don’t want to make martyrs out of peaceful KKK members by exterminating them.

      • August 14, 2016 at 11:56 pm

        so, are you comfortable with the threat of violence?

      • August 15, 2016 at 2:00 am

        Violence comes in a spectrum, and yes, in part of that spectrum I find it permissible to commit violence. This is what we all are saying when we concede we must maintain a military, a police force, a social order of modern standards. But I do not find it justified to use violence unless your opponent has initiated it themselves.

        This is what I mean in the post. There are bad people in the world whom we are not justified in committing violence against.

        When someone publishes an article saying that vaccinations should be avoided, I believe they are endangering a human life, and yet, I do not find it justified to silence them because I value free speech more than I value those lives that they are endangering. I believe coexisting with these people, and trying to win by argument and voting is a better course of action because that leads to a larger total sum of human happiness.

      • August 15, 2016 at 10:20 am

        I can understand that position. I do not agree with it entirely.

  2. August 14, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    It’s an unpleasant truth that life makes demands. If you don’t want to face it, that’s your choice. But, since there are people trying to solve problems, stay out of their way.

    Consider the ramifications of the nonexistence of law enforcement. Do you think everyone would hold hands? Talk through their feelings? Be decent people? Or, maybe, the society that has sheltered you would be akin to a third-world country, wherein people committing atrocities is the norm.

    • August 14, 2016 at 9:27 pm

      To be honest, I’m not sure we’re discussing the same subject here. What does law enforcement have to do with this?

      In the post, I said it would be a worse world if we exterminated certain bad people. For example: I believe the world would be a better place without a certain political party’s existence, but I see no course of action that removes them without involving violence or suppression of free speech, both of which would make the world worse. I’m not speaking of murderers, but of our fellow citizens, whom we disagree with strongly, but with whom we must learn to coexist.

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